Newbie questions about Explorer SE Pro

[Reggie]

I have discovered in my 2 year old test garden that my SE Pro will accurately depict (smartfind) clad quarter and silver dimes up to 7 or 8", respectively, displaying the pictograph in the upper Right corner. After that, the target window reflects its image in the upper LEFT corner of the screen, though the audio remains the highest pitched sounds the machine was giving in the shallower depths for the same targets. It appears, and I want to know if this is correct, that when the smartfind indicates a deep target but depicts its cursor in the upper left corner, a high-pitched audio must usually reflect a clad quarter, silver dime or other worthwhile silver or clad-type target at some depth more than 7". The SE will give its high beep signal down to 12" or so, but the cursor finds itself in the upper LEFT corner instead of the right corner.
Another observation is that I can reach deeper high value targets in "open" screen (no discrimination or iron mask) than in Iron Mask settings. What say you? Does any of this seem accurate? If not, why not?

 

[Eu_citzen]

If it jumps to the left side it could indicate iron near by.

 

[Reggie]

At the 8" clad quarter my other brand machines (Whites, Nautilus) are silent as to discriminate signal, while the SE gives the upper left picture in smartfind, with a highpitched "silver" audio and a "digital" reading of 31/31. At 9" and 10" the SE repeats the 31/31 or something close, like 25/30, with the highpitched audio giving the silver signal. The silver dime is properly detected at 8" as a silver coin in upper right of the smartfind. I forgot to mention this in my original post
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There is some iron close to the 8" clad quarter coin, (I will dig up this iron soon), but my other machines which hit the 9" and 10" silver dimes and clad quarters give only all metal signals because these other machines also cannot identify the silver dimes and clad coins as such. It seems that the highpitched signals of the SE are hinting at silver dime and clad quarter while the smartfind and digital do not know what they are, but are consistent in signaling the same visuals each time. The visual smartfind and digital images are consistent-- in upper left of smartfind, and around 31/31 in digital. Can these be considered as indicators of these targets, or not reliable? ....Anyone?

 

[beep stick]

altho the explorer is better than most on DEEP identification...most all explorer users are SOUND first and formost...the screen is in my opinion is only there to HELP you gleen the most info possible in conjunction with the sound to help in deciding what is good or bad

 

[JoeinMemphis]

If you set up descrimination like one of the coins only (pretty tight descrimination) patterns in Andy's book for extremely trashy areas, as the targets get deeper will you miss them due to the cursor moving to the left on the smartfind screen?? H Joe

 

[Mike Bearden]

is commonly know as averaging when the Explorer is sampling ground with more than one target under the coil like the silver quarter and the close by iron together.
Some iron by itself, depending on shape and condition will cause high tones and can lock onto the right side like silver too .... that's called wrap around on the target conductivity scale.
Imagine holding a compass in your hand and that true North represents non ferrous and the further around to the right it goes, the conductiviy scales changes to the ferrous scale until it becomes full iron.
Sometimes iron wraps around the scale and fools even the best detectors and those that use them, but in this case I strongly suspect your SE was averaging the iron and quarter.

Mike

 

[Reggie]

I am running open, with no discrimination at all.

 

[dewcon4414]

Mike said about the same as i was going to. Wide open doesnt matter when its averageing the soil and targets, and at that depth you deffiently get wraparound. Sometimes playing with your sensitivity will help with wraparound as will having FAST OFF. I assume you are using CON sounds, that makes it more complexing when you know LARGE iron will give high cond sounds. Try it from different angles as well just like you would in the field. If you are working at those depths, now you know why people like Bryce are picking up the deep coins. Great thing you have a test garden now you just have to make the adjustments

 

[Reggie]

I am using Ferous Sounds to get the most difference.

 

[Reggie]

I agree that the sound gives a deeper signal of a deep good target, but I wonder if the targets hitting in the upper left of the smartfind screen (wraparound) or 31/31 in digital screen confirm the audio signals? Could this visual effort by the SE serve as some sort of CONFIRMATION of the audio signals?

 

[Mike Bearden]

Quote > Could this visual effort by the SE serve as some sort of CONFIRMATION of the audio signals?

I hunt by sound 99% of the time as many others do. I let the shovel tell me what's under the coil when I hit a deep target that SOUNDS good ... no matter where it hits on the screen, digital or target cursor readouts can't be trusted at depths for the most part and MANY put to much trust in what they see on the screen and leave good targets in the ground.

Mike

 

[tab-nabit]

I'll go with that - audio is the way for me, hence the use of quality headphones. And quality digging tools.

 

[Crispytoo]

Joe, if I'm understanding your question correctly than yes, you would miss that signal because the discrimination would block that upper left signal because it's seeing it as iron. Reggie is running wide open so he can see the cursor anywhere (including the upper left corner) on his screen. I have heard of people having silver hit anywhere from the top middle all the way to the top left of the screen, probably because the coin's relative depth or being on edge. Deeper coins will look like iron at some point depending on mineralization, overall depth and the coin's vertical positioning. I think that's why a lot of these fellows are saying that sound should be an indicator and not necessarily the cursor's position.

 

[Big Fang Coin Biter]

I usually hunt with the highest sensitivity I can. This causes the cursor to do a dance on the screen and basically become useless. I do the quick-sweep-move-the-coil-up maneuver but even that hardly works. As the others said, go with the sound. The jumping cursor display has been something that folks have complained about since they came out.

This does raise a question in my mind though. What happens if you are hunting in Ferrous tones? I would think that just digging the high tones would still miss the deep signals (that hit as you said).
HH - BF

 

[Larry (IL)]

Hi Reggie. In Ferrous tones/Smart screen, the upper left corner on the SE is about the same as "+95 land" on the DFX, especially when the target is very deep or very shallow. When the SE is confused or can not put an ID on the target , that is where the cursor will go. If it is a deep target and sounds good, I would dig a few of those to see what is there. Trust the audio