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Wet ground/dry ground... too wet/too dry ???

jbow

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I know that you lose depth when the ground is dry as last years bird nest... and I know that it is better after a rain BUT... does detecting suffer in any way if the ground is too wet. It has really rained a LOT around here lately but next week looks sunny and between 50 and 60 for a high each day at least through Thursday.

(I also know, considering the competence of todays weather forecasters, it could rain all week and be 40 degrees. Have you noticed since they started using computer models to forecast... they seem to have lost the art?)

So, is there such a thing as too wet. I'm not talking about mud... I mean the ground looks fine but when you dig it's moist down 6 or 10 inches.

Thanks,

Julien
 
I had no problem with too wet ground twice last week. When I would dig a hole say 8" deep it would fill up with water in less than 10 seconds here in Augusta Ga. Let's say where we live, I see you are from Ga. the ground is at it's carrying capacity water wise at this moment. When it's dry there is a noticeable difference in the depth. Before the rains came the ground was like powder 3 inches down. Hunt anyway is my motto...
 
JBOW

When the ground is real dry it does affect the depth as I have noticed but the only problem I have seen with the wet ground is soggy knees. and muddy hands. I like to go to the school or park in the summer or fall after a decent rain shower, it seems like the coins pop like popcorn.
 
well down here in in southeast texas we had a drout last summer. no rain for almost 2 months. i quit detecting durring that time. the black clay was so hard that crawfish mounds would sling out from under the lawn mower and fly so far and fast they broke windows in my house and would also wedge up between the blades and mower deck and stop it.
i couldnt even chisel into the ground with a hammer and chisel.
and the cracks in the ground were massive. i looked down in one and found my kids baseball had fallen into it and was down about a foot.
so moister helps in 2 ways. digging and depth
 
So you're sayin' wetter is better... ?? Laff

We were really dry summer before last, so I know what you mean.

J
 
n/t
 
The ago old question. Here's my experience:
In a trashy site, dry ground can unmask some deep coins. One hunted-out park I was hunting when it was dry gave up a handful of deeper Indian head cents. Went back later when ground was not so dry and didn't get a single signal worth digging. Wet ground gives better, deeper signals on everything, and that includes trash and iron which increases possible target masking. So, my solution is to detect as often as possible, dry or wet ground! I have not found a good way to control the weather as yet. :laugh:
 
Went detecting yesterday in GGP after a week of rain. Unfortunately nothing noticeably deeper showed up under my coil, but I did get fooled by the halo effect of a nail. I suspect the moisture has something to do with it since iron and ferrous objects corrode faster than coins.

-Alex
 
Don't worry, Hugo Chavez is workingon controlling the weather.


Good post, I guess for relic hunting in less trashy sites like the ones DanielTN films.. wet would be good but old parks it would be somewhere onn the dryer side, somewhere before the ground cracks and crumbles and becomes hard as a rock.
I seem to find things whenever I hunt a good site but one of my favorite hunting scenarios is any "hunted out" place. I like the challenge and the targets that that E_TRAC pulls out of those places tend to be really good. It finds the goodies that other detectors miss, not sure but the V3 may be as good but figuring out how to tweak it to perform the best at a given site is also a challenge... there is a LOT more to learn and understand on the V, while the E-TRAC has minimal adjustments, basically turn on and go. I still swear by two tone/ferrous and Jason's relic pattern. I use the numbers and it always makes good finds, even when all the good targets are "gone".

J
 
jbow said:
I guess for relic hunting in less trashy sites like the ones DanielTN films.. wet would be good but old parks it would be somewhere onn the dryer side, somewhere before the ground cracks and crumbles and becomes hard as a rock.

I seem to find things whenever I hunt a good site but one of my favorite hunting scenarios is any "hunted out" place. I like the challenge and the targets that that E_TRAC pulls out of those places tend to be really good. It finds the goodies that other detectors miss, not sure but the V3 may be as good but figuring out how to tweak it to perform the best at a given site is also a challenge... there is a LOT more to learn and understand on the V, while the E-TRAC has minimal adjustments, basically turn on and go. I still swear by two tone/ferrous and Jason's relic pattern. I use the numbers and it always makes good finds, even when all the good targets are "gone".
J

Couldn't have said it any better myself... :detecting:
 
Sometimes in really saturated conditions, I loose depth almost like the over saturation reflects some signal, same thing happens right when the ground thaws...even though the ground is pretty wet, the tiny ice crystals seem to kill my depth for about the first week after thaw. Some soils containing marine clays can get so dense when wet...I am sure that certain densities of soil probably don't allow much depth penetration and may even reflect signals back. What I always found to help when faced with over-saturation was to try a smaller coil. Some soils I would get awesome depth when damp or wet...but to much water and the depth just dropped off horribly. In that situation a smaller coil nearly always improved my depth. Same as in very mineralised soils... a large coil seemed to pick up too much of the mineralisation..overloading the machine to the point it could not get depth. Case and point: in Galveston a few years back, in the wet sand shallow surf, I got nearly twice the accurate depth from my SE using the old 10 inch slimline coil than my 15 inch WOT and still better depth than my Sun Ray 12. Same day, 150 feet away, in the dry dunes, my Slimline couldn't touch the depth of the WOT. The only thing that changed was moisture content and salt. As you add more conductivity to the soil through mineralisation and/or also moisture content, you can get to a point where the shallow signal of the soil itself is so great that the deeper signal becomes impossible to pick up. It's hard to hear the clock tick if the tv's too loud.

A point further: after thaw...the top layer of the soil is very saturated and the soil below is still somewhat frozen or contains ice...That ice layer prevents the water from perking down deeper...so now you have a very top layer that is extremely saturated and a lower layer that isn't, that is not a situation conductive to extreme depth. Best situation would be when the top 7 inches of soil are damp and the deeper layers are wetter...now you will attain the best depth possible. Sometimes, in clay type soils, 3 or 4 days after the storms END, produce incredible depths both compared to dry periods or same day rains because it takes that long for the water to perk to the depth that you need it to. In a sandy loam type soil, same day rains may be the best situation. I noticed this hunting in farm fields where certain parts of the field were literally flooded and other adjacent parts where just wet or damp. My deepest finds came from the areas where when I dug a target and found water in the bottom of my hole at the ten to twelve inch deep mark, I could easily get 12 inch hits or better. In the areas flooded, I could only get about 8 inches, sometimes less.

Just a few things to consider are:

mineralisation...salt and iron content of the soil..presence of hematite or magnetite
moisture content
density of the soil and types...sandy loam, marine clays, plowed (air entrenched), organic loose, hard pack shale etc
How quickly or slowly those different soils perk water
presence of ice in layers or crystal form
and WHEN was the last rain
One last possible point is if there was lightning during the rains..after the lightning the ground maybe less or more electrically charged which may interfere as well

I need to go detecting, can you tell there is a foot of snow on the ground here:heh::ranting:
Sorry for the over kill Julien:detecting:
 
it is also the reason I use multiple detectors. Different things work better at different times, at different sites, and in different conditions. I don't think that we will ever completely understand what to do when and where.

I have been in the pest control business for decades and everytime I think I understand what is going to affect some pest, like rain or heat making them worse this year or not as bad... they do something completely different. I have come to understand that I will probably never know for sure what cause and effect is going to do because i'll never have all the info...

I think it's probably the same with detecting.... better try different stuff because what you think you may know may be working against you. Like a coil will get about the depth of it's width... that fell apart when I hit a dime at 10" with the 5" coil on a T2.

Thanks for all the food for thought!! Good to see you too...

Julien
 
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