relicmeister said:
Iron volume control certainly is better than iron on or off.
Maybe just iron off, iron low, iron hi would be good enough?
as opposed to 10 volume levels.
I had an XP
ORX and might get another with the 5X9½ HF coil because if filled a niche in my Outfit. It had a simple On or Off for the Low-Tone. That would typically be desired as an Iron Range Audio Tone, but since the Tone Break is incorporated with the Discrimination setting, the Iron Audio is simply a Low Tone Audio and could cover a good size portion of the Non-Ferrous range for those who prefer a lot of rejection. I don't but some do.
For those not interested in ferrous trash at all, the ON or OFF adjustment is sort of useful on the
ORX because it doesn't provide a typical Discrimination design that incorporates audio target rejection with the setting. If it did, the On or OFF wouldn't be needed.
We should have a simple OFF - LOW - HIGH setting for Iron Volume soon in the Simplex+, I believe, and even that can be better than a full-volume setting. I do hunt in a processed-audio 3-Tone mode most of the time with my Nokta FORS CoRe and Fisher T2+ with the Disc. set low enough to accept most common iron nails because I like to listen
FOR the iron trash in an area to help locate past activity. Both models have a full volume level for all detected targets. Most of the time in a dense iron nail site, with nails more plentiful than other types of ferrous and non-ferrous trash, I favor hunting in a VCO enhanced 2-Tone mode because it will quite often let desirable non-ferrous targets 'pop-out' better to be unmasked when in close proximity to a ferrous debris.
Those models and their performance work well, but I favor them for sparse iron contaminated sites. When there is a lot of iron to deal with, I use a lower Disc. level because I still like to listen
FOR iron junk, I just don't like to listen
TO the abundant Iron Audio responses. For that I then prefer to grab my Nokta FORS Relic or Makro Racer 2 which
DO have a selectable Iron Audio Volume control [size=small]
(0 for OFF or 1 to 5 levels for very low to full volume)[/size] or for more urban applications my Fisher F-44 where I assign one of four Audio Tones to a segment and control the Ferrous range Volume Level with the 1-to-20 setting Volume Control [size=small]
(I use a Volume level of '12')[/size]. With these models, the Relic, Racer 2 and F-44, I can keep the Iron Volume level at a hearable but pleasant
Low Volume level to better enjoy the search.
relicmeister said:
In any case is that a reasonable thing to change in an update?
NO, not in my opinion. The
ORX or Deus or any other detector is what it is. I am not a big fan of
"updates' even though we're in this modern digital era. They need to do the R&D and then build a quality product, test it out, fix what needs fixing, and get it right before the let it out the door to consumers. Maybe make one subtle but needed change in production as a revision, but I don't like the idea of plugging a detector in to tweak all sorts of stuff to try and please a few people. That's what they do for the few forum beggars because more detectors are out there being used and working fine for a lot more consumers.
In that case, the Deus is what it is. It's a good detector, but I don't like it for me and my needs. I do, however, like the
ORX that basically has Deus power and general performance without a lot of extra adjustable fluff. For
me, the
ORX is a very good detector form many site challenges I face. If I feel there too much iron at a site, I simply grab a different detector from my Outfit that better handles the trash challenges. I never have the attitude that only one detector is needed to do everything I want to do afield, and I've encouraged people to do what I do and own at least two detectors to complement each other. Been doing that since '71/'72 and it sure works for me hunting many different types of sites.
Instead of fooling around with doing an 'update' to an already good detector, just consider Iron Volume as something for the R&D folks to work on as they develop a future model. Do it now to have everything checked out and tested so a new model will have what consumers want and work as needed. They can do that while also working on a smaller-size search coils for the Deus and
ORX which is more desired, I believe, than Iron Audio Volume. Most folks reject Iron and don't want to hear it and I.A.V. is really for the more dedicated and savvy Avid Detectorist and not of great interest to the Average Hobbyist.
Monte
