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2 Tone FE Settings

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Terra1959

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Gday,

Just setting up some modes and disc. patterns....going to hunt an old relic site this week.
I have seen a real lot on 2 tone Ferrous and want to give it a go if I find lots of iron.

WHAT ARE YOUR SETTINGS FOR 2 T FE ? please

Particularly interested in fellow Aussie "gregliss" but also G4E and Diggers ideas - and anyone else who cares to assist me

I do know slow is the way to go with a fairly open screen and that Greg prefers 4 tone.

thanks guys

T59
 
There really aren't any "set rules" for selecting your audio preferences for the E-TRAC. How you operate yours will depend on what the TID numbers are for the majority of targets you will be searching for, how many tones you want to decipher, whether you want to hear the audio report of the ferrous values or the conductive values, and what the majority of "non keeper" targets will be in the site you are hunting. All are personal choices.
If you are hunting a site with lots of iron, as you indicate you might, hunting in the ferrous mode with only two tones will simplify the hunt by providing either a a high tone for targets with a ferrous value of 17 or less. Or a low tone on targets with a ferrous value greater than 17. If the "keeper" targets you are searching for in your site have a ferrous TID value of 17 or less, then 2-tone ferrous might be a good starting point. I hunt for old coins at old sites. And here in the US, the vast majority of our coins have a ferrous value of 17 or less. Your targets may vary, so build your selections accordingly.
When I am using 2-tone ferrous, I always use an open screen. (zero discrimination) If I get tired of digging all the targets that provide a high tone, and I feel the need to reject a portion of them, I do NOT change the discrimination settings. Instead, I will identify what the conductive values are for the trash targets that I no longer want to dig. Then it is simply a matter of ignoring the low tones, checking the conductive TID for the high tone targets and concentrate on digging those that have proven to provide an acceptible conductive TID. The reason I say to not change the discrimination settings is due to what many refer to as nulling. Nulling (target blanking) will occur when the audio resonse is programmed to silence the Threshold instead of sending the user an audio tone. This can only happen when you pass the coil over a target with a value (ferrous and conductive) that has been discriminated out. I know some report hearing a nulling of the Threshold while using the conductive mode. But in my opinion, if they opened the screen up like they do in 2-tone ferrous (zero discrimination), they'd find that there is no nulling (target blanking). With zero discrimination, they are simply listening for the audio response of the opposite metallic value. (conductive versus ferrous) JMHO HH Randy
 
Thanks Randy...that explanation makes a lot of sense to me
With no disc.at all it either a high or low tone...no nulling.

deep - ON ?
fast - OFF ?

T59
 
Hi Terra.........

FAST ON, DEEP OFF.....Volume Gain 30.

This will turbo charge the ETrac!!

You will already reap the benefit from no disc and no nulling or recovery lag with the open pattern.
The Expert settings above will remove more even more filtering but still allow deep targets to be enhanced.
It will expertly provide amazing target separation and allow you to pick out good high toned targets amongst low toned ferrous.

Just ensure that the high tones are repeatable and repeatable at 90 degrees.

A high tone one way and a low tone at 90 degrees is usually iron in my experience.

I would also black out the top horizontal FE01 line but leave open the CO38 - CO48 on that line. This will get rid of most of the iron 'wrap around' and stop the high tone 'blipping' sounds from iron that ruin your concentration!!
Opening up the small gap will allow large silver to come through.

Good luck mate!!

Gaz.
 
Gaz and I agree with Fast ON and Deep OFF, Volume to the Max. But again, that is an individual choice. And I agree that rejecting the top Ferrous line, as he described, will reduce the iron wrap around. But my response in leaving both screens open was in an effort to explain why some folks find conductive to create a nulling effect and ferrous does not. It can't null if it beeps.
As many of us have said repeatedly, different strokes for different folks. We all have differenty styles of hunting, we hunt in different locations and we seek different treasures. It is up to the individual to learn what each function does to (and for) the detector and make adjustments to fit their needs at any particular site. The true beauty of the E-TRAC is that it can do most things well, for most situations. JMHO HH Randy
 
I may go against what some on here agree with but I know Randy and I agree about the wrap around effect. I have 01-01 thru 01-31 blacked out. If you choose to NOT disc this out, 01 numbers will drive you nuts with the high tone. I dug a ton of 01 signals and they were always iron so I just disc them out and it quiets the hunt way down w/o affecting your hunt. I use fast on deep off, and also volume gain I set at max as well. I prefer 2 tone not 4 tone.

But remember I use 2 tone ferrous in 3 different reasons, not all the time

1. on sites I have pounded, gridded out in conductive sounds and there is no diggable targets left
2. on sites that have certain spots that the etrac goes into a complete null, I flip into TTF and slowly creep thru it until the iron decreases and then I flip back in conductive
3. and 3rd reason is when I am in conductive and get an iffy signal beside iron, I flip into TTF and verify the signal is actually a GOOD target beside iron. It makes the GOOD target literally SCREAM out "dig me!"

if you get a high tone in TTF ferrous there is something down there, put some trust into what the etrac is telling you
 
Randy, Gaz and Terry...
thanks heaps for sharing that with an Etrac novice guys
awesome help and tips
all I gotta do now is get out there

T59
 
....I'm totally with Goes & Digger on this!!!

Some great advice here.......just have to get out there and try it out now mate!!

Let us know how you get on.

All the best,

Gaz.
 
Shouldn't the 01-50 be blacked out also?
 
.....yes Duke......

On the FE01 line, the pixels blacked out are CO 01-37.....38-48 left open and 49 & 50 black. :thumbup:
 
Does anyone have experience with where Silver Rings would hit?
 
Thanks!
 
Silver is silver. And if the continuity of the band of the ring is not "broken", they will read similar to silver coins. But just like a quarter will provide a higher conductive number than a dime, a larger the ring will provide a higher conductive number than a smaller ring. Ferrous numbers can vary with site situations, but generally in that "12" range. JMHO HH Randy
 
Can be fooled sometimes but as a rule of thumb if its a small target I dig anything with a high con # in non high trash areas.
I'm using 2 tone ferrous modified Andy disc program.
Cal
 
1. on sites I have pounded, gridded out in conductive sounds and there is no diggable targets left

That is the sort of place I mostly use it and I maybe these sites aren't plagued with the sort of iron that wraps like that... I can see where it could be a problem and where a null of the 01-02 line woulld help.. as long as you disc back in 01/42-43.

Jason's relic pattern is on pae 145 of Andy Sabisch' book The Minelab Explorer and E-TRAC Handbook... a very good book that draws heavily from actual users.

FTT, used with some variation of the relic pattern and, if warranted, 01-02 nulled with 42 and 43 disced back in will, in "hunted out" sites find targets that others miss, targets that are heavily masked. The ET will hit on them but you must use enough disc to knock out the worst of the iron... then you will get a tone on the co-located non-ferrous target, it is usually a one way tone because of the iron to one side of it or under it, or over it... just so... but the ET will bring targets to your ears this way that other detectors miss. I've seen it too many times... and you do need a little disc for it to work it's magic. You'll still make good finds with an open screen but not as many masked targets. If you insist on running an open screen, IMO you'd do better to use an Explorer.

FTT... is fot "hunted out" sites and requires a little disc. A reasonable FE number.. but the CO number will be spot on, even at depth and even on a masked target even is only from one direction but it will repeat from that direction... DIG IT.

J
 
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