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Not sold on 2 tone ferrous!

Gaz it could also be the machine. I've owned 2 E-Tracs now and the first one FE wasn't worth a crap below 3-4", but the next one was much more accurate. Still not as accurate as the CO, but more accurate than the FE on my last E-Trac.

Now when I'm hitting coins in our city park at 8" or more FE isn't worth a plug nickle.
 
Jack Flynn said:
I now am a believer that it is how your detector is set up to be very successful in multi tone. I was made a believer this morning. I'll post about that in a while. I've had my E Trac for about a year and a half and really just got it set up where I can really tell what is in the ground. Like Randy said, in trash slow is the key with both modes, snail slow. I had my best hunt ever this morning and am stoked. I'm not that much enthused about 2TF. I have to look at the TID all the time. My strong point is hunting with my ears then looking at the TID when she squeals. Slow slow slow and both work very well. I'm just a multitone guy I guess.

once again I will state 2 tone ferrous is for places that have more iron than conductive targets, places where your etrac nulls constantly. If you hunt in conductive mode at sites like this u will MISS good targets I promise you. And if you do use 2 tone and don't go slow enough you will miss targets.

I am only trying to help people. I have found targets in 2 tone ferrous, then rechecked the target in conductive and got NOTHING but null. Believe it or not. But I have found several silver on sites that I grided over and over in conductive till there were no diggable targets. I have no reason to persaude people of anything, I just try to pass on info that will help you and others find items that are masked by iron. I have nothing to gain by helping anyone out, except see you happy when you actually take the time to slow down and S-L-O-W-L-Y and listen to your etrac telling you there is a good target hidden in the iron that you would NOT get in conductive mode. simple as that.

I have taught my 2 hunting partners how to properly use two tone on their etracs, and since doing so, they both have dug silver at sites they have pounded over and over in conductive mode............remember the seated half dollar you saw my buddy dig that I video'd the full dig? That coin would NOT show up on conductive, ONLY A SOLID NULL ON THE ETRAC, do you think he is a believer now? absolutely.
 
Guys I'll put it this way! I bought the Etrac within a month of them being introduced to the market. I have probably 2500 hours logged on the machine. Have dug over 300 silvers a year for the past two years, and numerous civil war relics. I'm buy no means a rookie here. I have gotten good enough with the Etrac to hunt with a open screen in Multi/Cond in 30 manual and walk right over nails and pick silver out of between them without a second thought. ( Not two many can say that I bet ) I have just noticed the rave reviews that 2 tone ferrous has been getting lately and thought I would give it a try and I'm saying in my testing it's pure bunk. I promise you would not want me coming behind you cleaning up what you've missed using 2 tone ferrous. Now this may be my particular machine that does not perform well in this setting. I promise you it is not the operators ability.
 
JohnTN said:
I have gotten good enough with the Etrac to hunt with a open screen in Multi/Cond in 30 manual and walk right over nails and pick silver out of between them without a second thought. ( Not two many can say that I bet ) I promise you would not want me coming behind you cleaning up what you've missed using 2 tone ferrous.
:rofl:
this by far is the most cocky statement I have EVER read posted on the etrac forum, holy cow...........and u can pick out silver in an open screen with conductive sounds when a 35-45 sounds JUST like a 12-45............yeah I'd love to witness that! :crylol:
 
Goes4ever trust me it can be done. I'm not being cocky just stating a fact. Don't let your testosterone get out of hand.
 
I'm more a casual detectorist and I favour Conductive - multi 95% of the time because it gives me more information about the target, i use 2T ferrous in iron patches only (outside old stables ect) and I'm starting to lean towards 4T ferrous as I'm digging more targets with it than 2T Ferrous.

In Conductive - multi it wasn't long and I could tell a smooth target (a coin) and a rough target (likley junk) and the in-between (corroded coin). And that is why I love the Etrac so much. In 2T - Ferrous (or 4T) I don't get the above information, it's simply a "Dig or not Dig". I can only tell if it is ferrous or non-ferrous and check the TID for the conductive range but that's the limit of it. And that is why it is so good in Iron patches for me, fairly simplistic audio while nulling/masking fewer targets than my conductive pattern. But again, 2Tferrous is like running the default coin program in conductive- multi due to the high FE17 tone change over....it's similar to running a very tight pattern......and in iron patches targets near iron will have their FE numbers pulled down towards iron (often below FE17) giving you a low tone.......all I'm saying is consider this and be careful. And with this point I believe John has valid claim that he could follow someone in 2T and pull targets due to the "FE shift" of deep targets and "FE Pull" of iron. Note: 4T -ferrous puts your lowest tone cut off at FE30.

I think 2T - Ferrous (or 4T) are worth while modes to store for particular sites.

Bottom line - It's all personal preference and how much audio input you're willing to handle.
 
n/t
 
Goes4ever said:
once again I will state 2 tone ferrous is for places that have more iron than conductive targets, places where your etrac nulls constantly. If you hunt in conductive mode at sites like this u will MISS good targets I promise you. And if you do use 2 tone and don't go slow enough you will miss targets.

I am only trying to help people. I have found targets in 2 tone ferrous, then rechecked the target in conductive and got NOTHING but null. Believe it or not. But I have found several silver on sites that I grided over and over in conductive till there were no diggable targets. I have no reason to persaude people of anything, I just try to pass on info that will help you and others find items that are masked by iron. I have nothing to gain by helping anyone out, except see you happy when you actually take the time to slow down and S-L-O-W-L-Y and listen to your etrac telling you there is a good target hidden in the iron that you would NOT get in conductive mode. simple as that.

I have taught my 2 hunting partners how to properly use two tone on their etracs, and since doing so, they both have dug silver at sites they have pounded over and over in conductive mode............remember the seated half dollar you saw my buddy dig that I video'd the full dig? That coin would NOT show up on conductive, ONLY A SOLID NULL ON THE ETRAC, do you think he is a believer now? absolutely.

Goes, could you possibly put out a youtube video about 2-tone? Show some real-world examples in both modes and target recovery.
 
Jason I have several videos.......my latest video shows a friend of mine doing a full dig on a seated half dollar that he could not even get a peep in conductive, but in two tone ferrous it was a screaming "dig me" signal
go to youtube type in goes4ever to get all my videos
 
I have, I even subscribed to you! Great vids! But I am talking about a tutorial type video. Talking about the modes and showing a target response in both modes along with the recovered target.
 
Minelab in there infinite wisdom knew these problems with there customers would happen that is why to take full advantage FBS they invented the Safari a much simpler detector that does the same job.I personally think that they could have went a little further by putting on the LCD screen Dig the target it could be good. Right away you would triple your finds because you are hunting a lot longer.Personally 2 tone ferrous made my head hurt and it does not bother me to not find last coin.The nulling factor on minelabs is a real problem that can be corrected by going to smaller coil to some extent.After hunting with e-trac or safari I follow with name brand gold detector which recovers faster and is better at finding plated objects toys,costume jewelery,gold but I am surprised at how many coins I find that I missed with minelabs I am pretty sure it is due to nulling or my sweep speed.
 
Here's a little video I made a while back. Now mind you I was not using a open screen in this video. The open screen is something I have had to work myself into.
Maybe some of you will recognize it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaCONrDiC3I
 
I just wonder if we all have a style of hunting (that is preferences in settings) that we do best with. I've myself have always been more comfortable in the conductive mode vs the ferrous mode. In ferrous, it keeps me continously looking at the screen. Last year, I invited John Tn up to Louisville Ky and we hunted together through the weekend. Before I meet John, I was hunting in patterns with alot of discrimination and not having the success that I was hoping for. John show me his pattern that he was using, which was: the bottom 3 lines of ferrous blackout. It open the machine up and I started finding more good finds. I know most will disagree with this but I found a mercury, that was a good solid hit on 27 ferrous. Without any doubt, if you learn the tones and pay attention to the sounds, you can hunt with the machine in conductive wide open. John used no discrimination most of the day on one of the hunts we went on. I think it all boils down to your preference and skill level. HH EddieB
 
...some of these claims dumbfound me!!

...picking silver from an open screen in multi/conductive????.......phew.....rather you than me!!
...2 tone ferrous makes my head hurt?......and conductive multi doesn't?.......hmmmmm?

This topic is like fashion......one minute 2 tone ferrous is the bees knees and everyone is finding stuff from sites they have pounded before
in multi conductive settings.......now people are saying opposite??

You just need to use the settings you prefer I guess......people can get quite defensive about their setup.

I just can't see the point in wasting time virtually staring at the screen numbers trying desperately to de-cypher a particular tone. We all know that certain
trash sounds like good stuff so waste your time. It has to dug.
I would question anyone who claims they can tell non ferrous trash from a good target with 100% accuracy by picking a tone out!!
If you agree with this.....then surely trying to tune into a familiar high tone which stays constant in 2 tone ferrous is easier????
 
One thing I've noticed is I do not like messing with the sounds in Cond. once I have them set right. While I was waiting for the ground to thaw, I'd try different pitches, sounds, tones...etc. on different coins until I felt comfortable where it was set at. Saved the pattern along with the sounds settings and hunted exclusively that way for the first 50-75 hours.

After that I started messing around with Minelab's modes. Going to there coins mode and pattern, I did not like it at all. The sounds mainly. I'd gotten so used to what I'd set up, that I couldn't tell what the target was by the sound. Meaning I'd have to RE-LEARN sounds. So I didn't mess with it. John's video was a good example. His sounds were set up a little different than mine. His silver hits were a little lower in pitch than how I have mine set up. I didn't like the sound his detector was making. I liked the video, just not the sound his detector was making. Why? The reason is how we each have our machines set up. John's comfortable where his is at and I'm the same with mine. I will say this. There is no way I could hunt open screened in Conduct. and not have to look at the screen. I can hear the difference on nails if I hit them parallel with my swing, the other way I can get a good short hit and good numbers too.

2-Tone is a little easier to swallow...because let's face it, you only have 2 Sounds to listen to (other than the TH).

Back to the original question...I, too, can't figure out why your detector is not picking up the same depth in FE sounds as Cond. sounds. This is something I'd like to try myself. Another problem is I've only dug a handful of coins in the 9+ range. 5-8" is more normal for me. Maybe I'm skipping over 10" coins and not knowing it because I don't know what to listen for, though I do try and investigate even the "peeps".

NebTrac
 
I never said the open screen using multi/cond was for the faint of heart but all the same for some people it's the only way to fly. I am by no means the first to use it. http://www.mlotv.com/view/440/neil-jones-advanced-etrac-program-explained-settings/
http://www.mlotv.com/view/454/neil-jones-advanced-etrac-program-explained-part2/ These are the same settings I use, mind you not all the time but definitely often. This setting is most useful in fields where maximum depth and separation is needed. This setting can be incorporated into many different situations with some practice and is a useful tool to have in your box. Your personal settings is really a matter of taste and what you are most comfortable with. My intention on this thread is to merely state that the Etrac has many options. My personal machine and I suspect many others does not perform well in 2 tone ferrous. If Goes4ever's detector works best in this setting - that is wonderful. The great thing about the Etrac is the ability to customize it to your own liking.
 
My days of "digging it all" are gone. I had fun over the last 20 years digging everything to get that occasional goodies, but now I'm a bit more selective. Sure I'm probably missing a goody or two, but after 20 years I've found I'm much happier going home with a pouch full of goods and practically nothing in the junk pouch. When I could hunt for 8 hours at a time digging crap 50% of the time was OK, but not any more. I get maybe an hour and I've got to make it count.

In conductive multi-tone I don't need to look at the display unless I hear that tone I know is likely good. In ferrous 2 tone everything sounds the same so you've got to look at the display to decide to dig or not. Not my idea of fun.
 
We often get stuck on one or two setups and quit experimenting with our machines once we are happy with our results.This can be both a good and a bad thing.Those who tinker with the settings every time out never get tuned in to what works best for them and their style of hunting at their sites.Then those who get stuck in a rut so to speak never learn the full potential of their machine.
Those who are in the middle of the road are the ones who will have the most success after a couple of years with this great machine ,I feel.
Even though the E-Trac is quite beginner friendly it still has a vast amount of versatility if one wants to "explore" it, no pun intended lol.
 
You're right on the spot there, Southwind! I don't find it much fun/challenging to dig every signal in the ground, especially at a super trashy 100 year old park, which is what I hunt most often. In fact, if I were making plugs for every non-ferrous target in the ground at a park, I'd be kicked out by the grounds keepers for sure. I have to pick my signals and keep the amount of trash plugs to a minimum. I cherry pick for the older stuff, and I know that many others on this forum do the same!! I too, would rather have a very small trash pouch at the end of the day.....sure, I dig the occasional piece of iron(rusty bolt, nail, etc.) that sounds/repeats enough in one direction or the occasional low conductor that sounds sweet (most of the time, it turns out to be a pulltab, ringtab, beaver tail, large piece of wadded foil, etc.). I know very well, that without digging every piece of junk in the ground, that there's probably more good signals being "completely" masked underneath that object. I prefer to listen for the partially masked objects. The Explorers/E-Trac can find these partially masked signals very well....you need to listen carefully for mixed tones while you swing(listen for a deeper high tone squeaking through the low sounding trash or shallower clad), and make sure you circle your target when you suspect you have a diggable target to be able to better isolate your signal in order to make your decision to dig!! I was at a park yesterday, where many deeper silver/wheat signals were getting pulled way over toward the high ferrous region....most were only around 5-7" in depth, but where pegging very close to where my iron mask was, which is practically a piece of iron. I suspect in 2TF, these signals would have given low tones, because the low tone in 2TF starts at a ferrous value of only 17.....I have dug many silvers/wheats that have a much higher than normal iron reading while in the ground, and that was due to very high ground mineralization, or to a co-located piece of iron.

I have so much confidence in multi/conductive/tiny amount of IM, that I really don't want to hunt in mono-tone....no fun for me at all. You're right, Southwind....I wouldn't want to have to look down on the screen every time while in 2TF in my trashy parks on account of a pulltab gave a signal the same as a silver coin, because we don't want to dig every piece of trash(non-ferrous metals) out of the ground. We'd rather just listen and swing, and use our eyes to spot pieces of chopped gold/jewelry, or other treasures laying on the surface. :razz: I definitely would be willing to try 2TF, as others have recommended, at places that would warrant me to switch.....that being sites loaded with mostly iron trash or a site where I wouldn't mind "digging it all" (beach, old demo, etc.)

Success with an Explorer/E-Trac can come in more ways than just one.....it's futile to try and say one way is better than another way with this machine. Why run when you can walk? Why walk when you can run? No correct answer!!

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan
 
I am with you Southwind If you look at my posts I hunt high Disc most of the time I only find silver and large mens gold rings no complaints I rarely have much junk when I am tired I will lay zinc penny on ground disc everything below and I still find lots of goodies and the junk I do find is either copper or brass and can me sold.If I am in a plowed field or remote site I will hunt in all metal.The safari and e-trac are great turf machines and I like them both but if I was at a spot with a chance to find a small gold coin I would not use either of them like golf I would choose a better club.
 
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