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Doubt it as most people who have been seriously hunting know the real deal and that the AT Pro is just a tricked out Ace 2-350keppy said:My thoughts on the Sovereign i have one.............. That they could make that big ugly box a little smaller................. And i think that the Garrett AT Pro put a little dent in Minelab's sales this winter..........
Engineered is one thing, testing every unit to 200 feet is another and no one is forcing a person buy EITHER detector. I do not own a Sov and don't plan to buy one but I do own 3 Excals and a Explorer 2 among many other makes which fit my style of hunting. If the price of excals went up another $500 and I needed one I would buy one in a heartbeat. Yes, Minelab is making a BOLD statement-they are saying we make a dammed good detector and if you want one you will pay the price we are asking as we are in the business to MAKE MONEYsynthnut said:I'm putting together a watterproof SE ....different design , but smilar idea as what GraveDiggerMax uses ......It's much easier to waterproof a machine that does not have pots if you want to change parameters on the fly ... Pot's also have a perpensity to get nudged or fudged ....It's great if you are a " Set it , and forget it " kind of guy ....You can load a Sovereign into just about any waterproof box, bag , or anything else to keep the water out .... As far as cost of the machines go , just looking at the work involved , and the materieal used , and the cost of materials and actual labor involved ..... Which machine do you think costs more to build ? ..... An SE or a Soveriegn ? ..... As you have mentioned many times Critter, how much more are these additional features in the manufacturing stage ? ......How much more can be charged in the retail end ? ....... If you raise the price of a Soveriegn , how close is that price to the price of a new SE with the Pro Coil ? ..... What would the average person looking at the features and the price do ? ..... I would be tempted to go back to the Sovereign if all I was going to do was water hunt with it, but since I am building a water/ land machine , and did not want to spend E Trac money to cut up an E Trac , I bought an SE as others have had good luck with it ..... I STILL have my Excal , so I haven't completely left the Excal / Sovereign family ..... I have had better luck with the E Trac , but to be honest to Critter and others , there is NOTHING like the sound of a Sovereign/ Excal ...... There is a LOT less of a chance of Iron becoming much of an issus in the salt so I still keep my Excal .....
Erikk,
Yes, the Excal is set up to go down to 250 ft , but once the product is engineered , how much more does it cost to produce an Excal than it does a Soveriegn ? ..... I STILL think it boils down to how much someone is willing to pay for the extra features , and how many more features can you put into a digital machine that costs the same or less to build, and charge more $$$ for it .... Again, this is my spin on it ..... Minelab is a business and they are surely making a bold business decision here ....A BOLD statement !!!! ....They are not upping the price by $50 .....They are SLAMMING the price pretty hard !!.....Jim
arod777 said:ML knows it will take 5 Obama dollars to print 1 Washington dollar in 2011.
synthnut said:Engineered is one thing, testing every unit to 200 feet is another and no one is forcing a person buy EITHER detector. I do not own a Sov and don't plan to buy one but I do own 3 Excals and a Explorer 2 among many other makes which fit my style of hunting. If the price of excals went up another $500 and I needed one I would buy one in a heartbeat. Yes, Minelab is making a BOLD statement-they are saying we make a dammed good detector and if you want one you will pay the price we are asking as we are in the business to MAKE MONEY
I guess that Minelab is counting on people just like you !!.......They are starting wth the Sovereign ..... Hold tightly to your Excals !!.......I hope for everybody's sake that they are not going to continue this trend with the other models ! ...... Jim