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THE REPORTS ARE IN - THE AT PRO IS THE MOST AWESOME DETECTOR EVER BUILT...

I don't read that at all in my post at all. What I said is if you want to go the the very extremes. Then a specific machine may do you better. Simple as that.
 
That is true. Vaughn Garrett says at 2:52 - 3:02 that you can take it from the beach right into the surf and also take it to fresh water lakes. So he does differentiate between the two types of water hunting. Fresh and salt.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GarrettATPro#p/u/1/D1LA4rClHJo
 
Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. It came across to me that you were saying it was a "Jack of All Trades and a Master of None". In Garrett's video it seemed to me like they tried to make it a Master of All! Again sorry if I misunderstood you.

HH

Beachcomber
 
No problem. Sometimes I have a hard time explaining myself too. Just saying the ATpro is like an SUV. Great at most things. But I wouldn't do extreme rock climbing, mud runs or use it on an oval track race. There are specific vehicles for that. All speculation at this point anyway.....
 
khouse said:
That is true. Vaughn Garrett says at 2:52 - 3:02 that you can take it from the beach right into the surf and also take it to fresh water lakes. So he does differentiate between the two types of water hunting. Fresh and salt.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GarrettATPro#p/u/1/D1LA4rClHJo
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You take his comments out of context and them jump to a conclusion he didn't explicitly say. What he did say was that "you could take it into the surf without worrying about it". That is a clear reference to not worrying about it being destroyed by being immersed in salt water. He didn't say anything about how it would perform against competitors in salt water. Plus he is selling the machine, or course he isn't going to say anything bad about it, no company spokesperson would.

The body of experience we have as detectorists is that single frequency machines just can't compete with multi-frequency units in salt water environments. Jumping to the conclusion that Garrett has some how bent the laws of physics to make a single frequency machine be able to handle the interference from both black sand and salt at the same time is wild speculation. I mean this machine doesn't even have ground tracking. One of the problems of beaches is that the ground balance changes enough to start falsing every time you take one step closer or father away from the ocean when you are in the wet sand so even if it can GB on salt it won't be able to stay in balance unless you do a new ground balance every 2 minutes. Garrett tech support even said that the At Pro doesn't have any special features to make it perform better than any other similarly configured VLF machine so expecting that it has some sort of miracle technology is a pipe dream.

This stuff is just basics for anyone that has spent any time at all hunting salt water beaches, it is not rocket science to see what features this machine has versus what you need to do a good job in the wet sand and the two don't add up.
 
I think you might have missed something.....in the videos and on the website it says that it does have both manual and auto ground balance. Here's a link to page 3 of the brochure on Garrett's website where it says that it has both:

http://www.garrett.com/at_pro/page3.htm

HH

Beachcomber
 
I'm not saying it's the best VLF ever to hit the salt neither did they. I'm simply letting you all hear what was said. It was made mention of. I have yet to see or hear on the videos where they say it's better than the other machines or brands for all types of hunting. I'm sure it will work great in most cases.
 
You are correct Steve about the ground tracking info.

I dont think the AT pro will out perform the Excal in salt water. It shouldnt, becase the Excal is a $1200 machine. However the Sea Hunter and Infinium will get better depth, I have had all 3 machines. Just sold the Excal on Ebay.

Those Minelab tones drive me nuts..

I think the At Pro will do fine in the surf but it wont be king of the surf VLF's.

Alan
 
bearkat4160 said:
You are correct Steve about the ground tracking info.

I dont think the AT pro will out perform the Excal in salt water. It shouldnt, becase the Excal is a $1200 machine. However the Sea Hunter and Infinium will get better depth, I have had all 3 machines. Just sold the Excal on Ebay.

Those Minelab tones drive me nuts..

I think the At Pro will do fine in the surf but it wont be king of the surf VLF's.

Alan
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It was obviously designed as a relic machine (which it should be great at) that is versatile enough to be used in other types of hunting. I think it will be able to compete with the big boys at relic hunting but will be out performed by those same big boys in other places. The point is that if you are a ocean beach hunter first and foremost that there are other choices better suited to that hunting style. Though if all you can afford for a machine and you have to have a brand new one and not a 2nd hand one then the AT Pro is probably worth a look as I am sure it will perform as well if not better than the other $600 single frequency VLF machines.
 
I think it is primarily designed for the relic hunter. All the rest of what it does is a bonus. (per what Garrett engineer said it is)

Fisher/Bounty Hunter/Teknetics new machines that are similar (F75, T2) helped the take the top spot away from Nautilus after 5 or so years winning in the Relic competitions.

Hopefully this machine will pull Garrett out of last place. Cant hurt thats for sure.

Alan
 
It is a 5 hour drive for me to get to the beach but when I think "waterproof to 10 ft" all I think about is that summer trip to the beach... perhaps they should rename it the MT-Pro. (Most terrain)

just sayin'....

and i'm not from Missouri but if this machine is better than a 1000 dollar machine or a 1500 dlooar machine... well, i'll believe it when I see it, firsthand. It looks like a good machine but I seriously doubt it is better than an 800 dollar machine, if it were I think it would be priced a bit higher. I am sure Garrett is a good company but they are in business to make money I think... I can't miagine they are leaving thousands of dollars on the table because they are just nice... if that is the case, I hope they aren't publically traded.

Time will tell the tale.

I seriously doubt there will be a lot of brand hopping... I think some people that use other brands will try it, some will like some wont but it wont cause a mass exodus from other brands.

Too much hype leads to too high expectations and then disappointment... I hope that does not happen.


J
 
I'm thinking that if Iwant a saltwater beach machine i'll still go for an Excal... if they get their service dept together... if not maybe i'll take a look at the Infinium LS, I can use it for some relic hunting too and I can chestmount it... on the fry sand i'll still probably be using the most awesome detector ever made... the =-+~@<.

I'll be watching the release of the AT-Pro with great interest... I am interested to see the crow is served because one way or the other someone is going to be eating it... may be a lover, may be a hater... but it will certainly be interesting to watch. I hope the AT redefines detecting... but forgive me, I am skeptical but open to it.

J
 
I know what you are saying and I agree but may I refer you to the title of the OP in this thread?

That sets the bar really high...

J
 
jbow said:
It is a 5 hour drive for me to get to the beach but when I think "waterproof to 10 ft" all I think about is that summer trip to the beach... perhaps they should rename it the MT-Pro. (Most terrain)

just sayin'....

and i'm not from Missouri but if this machine is better than a 1000 dollar machine or a 1500 dlooar machine... well, i'll believe it when I see it, firsthand. It looks like a good machine but I seriously doubt it is better than an 800 dollar machine, if it were I think it would be priced a bit higher. I am sure Garrett is a good company but they are in business to make money I think... I can't miagine they are leaving thousands of dollars on the table because they are just nice... if that is the case, I hope they aren't publically traded.

Time will tell the tale.

I seriously doubt there will be a lot of brand hopping... I think some people that use other brands will try it, some will like some wont but it wont cause a mass exodus from other brands.

Too much hype leads to too high expectations and then disappointment... I hope that does not happen.


J
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All i can say is Garrett gave us a lot for a low cost in the Ace 250.... And gave us the best pinpointer around............. So i would say that if another detector company had a detector like the AT Pro ... You would pay $800.00 To $1000.00 for it...........Or more
 
I would say that when the first news of a discriminating detector leaked out that there were a lot of non believers. How about target ID? That must have seemed like rocket science. Now it seems hard to believe there might be some new technology in a single frequency machine. I don't really know. But will certainly be open minded and swing an ATpro to find out.
 
I ran Garrett equipment when I started detecting in the early '70's. My Ghostowner, Groundhog, Deepseeker's and others were king in my books! Good to see this machine come out! (It's created it's own niche and really curious about this one.) When I first seen the box style I went argh......then I seen the internal design and it all made sense. Be nice to see Garrett kick some tail with this one. Wait and see.
 
He said surf , meaning "surf" ......Lake Superior is one the largest freshwater lakes in the country .....It has surf .....Google a search on " Lake Superior Surf " .....There are many other freshwater lakes that have surf also ...... He said "Surf" ....not freshwater , nor saltwater ......You can watch the AT Pro video's and the word "salt" is not mentioned ..... November is coming fast .....Then we wil all know one way or the other how well it works, or doesn't , in Saltwater ...... Jim
 
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