Vaquero discrimination

[smokey63]

Some of us folks over on the Metal Detecting Forum are doing a test with a pulltab. So, while doing the test today I found that my Vaquero would not disc out a pulltab till it got to the first mark past Tab and maybe a little past that. Just wanted to see if this is where everyone elses Vaquero disc. pulltabs or if it may have a problem. Thanks!

If you have time go over to the forum and check out the post "Simple Test" its pretty interesting!

 

[Henrikras]

Hi Smokey. I Got same exsperience with my VAQUERO... If I raise the disk to must to avoid likely items, I loss some of the Good stuf. I go fore the speak " if you dig a lot, you will find a lot".. Thats wry I go with low disk, learn by watching Silver53 utube video's.

 

[SpiritRelic]

You do not have a problem.There are so many types of pull tabs.The most stubborn ones will not disc out until you are a little past the tab mark.I like to locate silver coins in old areas setting my disc to this mark.This quickly allows me to get the silver without dealing with trash .Nice detector you have there.Good luck to you. :-D

 

[SpiritRelic]

Hi Smokey. I Got same exsperience with my VAQUERO... If I raise the disk to must to avoid likely items, I loss some of the Good stuf. I go fore the speak " if you dig a lot, you will find a lot".. Thats wry I go with low disk, learn by watching Silver53 utube video's.

That is not what smoky is asking.My god.You say one thing about were you put the disc control,and people flip out.I run my disc on tab and dig hundreds of silver coins.Some days while hunting silver,i don't want to dig the entire park up.Anyone else! :-Q

 

[WV62]

I have 2 disc controls on the Tejon and knob setting is a little different for each on the same pull tab.

I have taken the knobs off, but I know some are on a round shaft and you can loosen the set screw and set the pointer to match the tab line. If it has a flat spot on the shaft for the set screw you can't change the knob pointer.

Hope this helps,

Ron in WV

 

[DigDugNY]

Hi Smokey. I Got same exsperience with my VAQUERO... If I raise the disk to must to avoid likely items, I loss some of the Good stuf. I go fore the speak " if you dig a lot, you will find a lot".. Thats wry I go with low disk, learn by watching Silver53 utube video's.

That is not what smoky is asking.My god.You say one thing about were you put the disc control,and people flip out.I run my disc on tab and dig hundreds of silver coins.Some days while hunting silver,i don't want to dig the entire park up.Anyone else! :-Q

What coil do you mainly use when you dig hundreds of silver coins? I just feel like setting the DISC to Tab makes the Vaquero lose a lot of depth. I think a lot of us would like to know your exact setup of the Vaquero and how you use it. You seem to have a lot better luck than some of us others

 

[smokey63]

Thanks for the comments. Dangit Ron, you got this started with the test...lol. I normally run supertuned, min disc and would not have even known where tabs disc out at if I had not picked up the 5x10 Elliptical coil to hopefully make the Vaquero a more versitile machine as I am looking to do a little more coin hunting. I just would have thought that tabs would have been a little closer to the Tab mark. My Sidewinder is dead on when it comes to each mark on the disc knob. Well, I guess its time to start a whole new test of all targets!

 

[atomicscott]

Thanks for the comments. Dangit Ron, you got this started with the test...lol. I normally run supertuned, min disc and would not have even known where tabs disc out at if I had not picked up the 5x10 Elliptical coil to hopefully make the Vaquero a more versitile machine as I am looking to do a little more coin hunting. I just would have thought that tabs would have been a little closer to the Tab mark. My Sidewinder is dead on when it comes to each mark on the disc knob. Well, I guess its time to start a whole new test of all targets!

Nice observations! I have noticed that when running the 5.75 DD coil, everything seems to disc out at a slightly higher setting than with the stock 9x8 coil. No problem for me, I've gotten used to it because the 5.75 is now my main coil.

 

[WV62]

Thanks for the comments. Dangit Ron, you got this started with the test...lol. I normally run supertuned, min disc and would not have even known where tabs disc out at if I had not picked up the 5x10 Elliptical coil to hopefully make the Vaquero a more versitile machine as I am looking to do a little more coin hunting. I just would have thought that tabs would have been a little closer to the Tab mark. My Sidewinder is dead on when it comes to each mark on the disc knob. Well, I guess its time to start a whole new test of all targets!

Rather than trying to test all the junk items with each coil, you may want to just carry some sample trash targets with you and just set the disc on site.

I never even thought about you changing coils, but now that you mention it I noticed that when I change to my 5.75" concentric the disc settings change.

That 5x10 is a good size coil to hunt with, I had one for another brand detector that I had and that was about the only coil I used. It gave me about the same depth as the stock 8" coil, the ground coverage of a 10" and worked pretty good in the trash. I have never seen or heard of a 5x10 that will fit the Tejon, but I will start watching for one. Is the 5x10 something they still make new? Here is another simple little test, If you get a chance air test that 5x10 on a dime, along with the stock 9x8, would really like to see if there is a lot of difference on a air test depth. Just use the same detector settings for both coils, not looking for max depth just difference between the 2 coils.

Ron in WV

 

[smokey63]

Ron, the coil is still in production. Also referred to as a 10" Elliptical. Same coil that is stock on the Lobo SuperTrac and I think one was listed on the classifieds. It will fit the Tejon, Vaquero, Cibola and the Lobo ST. I will try and test the dime tomorrow if it quits raining, plus I buried a quarter and tab today with some different results than yesterday. I will post results tomorrow on the other MD Forum, my daughter is pitching a fit for the laptop as I am typing.

 

[SpiritRelic]

Hi Smokey. I Got same exsperience with my VAQUERO... If I raise the disk to must to avoid likely items, I loss some of the Good stuf. I go fore the speak " if you dig a lot, you will find a lot".. Thats wry I go with low disk, learn by watching Silver53 utube video's.

That is not what smoky is asking.My god.You say one thing about were you put the disc control,and people flip out.I run my disc on tab and dig hundreds of silver coins.Some days while hunting silver,i don't want to dig the entire park up.Anyone else! :-Q

What coil do you mainly use when you dig hundreds of silver coins? I just feel like setting the DISC to Tab makes the Vaquero lose a lot of depth. I think a lot of us would like to know your exact setup of the Vaquero and how you use it. You seem to have a lot better luck than some of us others

I get no depth lose on the vaq setting at tab.I have dug hundreds of silver coins using this method since the time i was ten years old.I am forty eight now.I have used this tab setting when i want to quickly locate silver coins and not giving a rip about what i missed because read my lips,i am hunting silver coins.So by setting the disc on tab it quickly allows me to home in on faint deep good signals .Are you with me so far.I don't give a rip about missing something because i was hunting for silver coins.Does everyone understand what i am saying.I will say it one more time.Old silver coins are mixed in my very trashed tab laden parks.By me setting the disc to tab,i quickly was able to just concentrate on good faint coin targets to increase my silver coin finds.I was not jewelry hunting.Anyone that does not understand the concept.I don't really care. :-D

 

[tabman]

Keep in mind, the higher the discrimination setting, the higher you can turn up the sensitivity setting without getting a bunch of chatter.

I haven't noticed any depth loss on the Vaquero when I discriminate out pull tabs. I dug a dime and a wheat penny at 8 inches at that discrimination setting.

Just listen for the faint deep signals with a good set of headphones. Using a high discrimination setting has its place.

tabman

 

[SpiritRelic]

Keep in mind, the higher the discrimination setting, the higher you can turn up the sensitivity setting without getting a bunch of chatter.

I haven't noticed any depth loss on the Vaquero when I discriminate out pull tabs. I dug a dime and a wheat penny at 8 inches at that discrimination setting.

Just listen for the faint deep signals with a good set of headphones. Using a high discrimination setting has its place.

tabman

Exactly tabman! I have used this method with great results finding old copper and silver coins,while trying to protect the park or lawn in the amount of holes dug at one outing.A very good trash to treasure ratio.This tab setting is only employed by me when i just want old silver and copper coins.Any other time i do lower the disc were need be.I have never had a problem with a lot of depth lose with a higher disc setting.If one wants to get a advantage in finding silver coins,i suggest trying this. :-D

 

[smokey63]

Thanks for the comments. Dangit Ron, you got this started with the test...lol. I normally run supertuned, min disc and would not have even known where tabs disc out at if I had not picked up the 5x10 Elliptical coil to hopefully make the Vaquero a more versitile machine as I am looking to do a little more coin hunting. I just would have thought that tabs would have been a little closer to the Tab mark. My Sidewinder is dead on when it comes to each mark on the disc knob. Well, I guess its time to start a whole new test of all targets!

Rather than trying to test all the junk items with each coil, you may want to just carry some sample trash targets with you and just set the disc on site.

I never even thought about you changing coils, but now that you mention it I noticed that when I change to my 5.75" concentric the disc settings change.

That 5x10 is a good size coil to hunt with, I had one for another brand detector that I had and that was about the only coil I used. It gave me about the same depth as the stock 8" coil, the ground coverage of a 10" and worked pretty good in the trash. I have never seen or heard of a 5x10 that will fit the Tejon, but I will start watching for one. Is the 5x10 something they still make new? Here is another simple little test, If you get a chance air test that 5x10 on a dime, along with the stock 9x8, would really like to see if there is a lot of difference on a air test depth. Just use the same detector settings for both coils, not looking for max depth just difference between the 2 coils.

Ron in WV

Here ya go Ron. Been needing to do this anyway. Sorry, I cant do just one test

8x9 sens @ 10, disc @ minimum - dime = 7"
10" Elliptical - dime = 6"

8x9 sens @ 10, disc @ Tab - dime = 7"
10" Ellliptical - dime = 6"

8x9 in all metal - dime = 11"
10" Elliptical - dime = 9"

8x9 supertuned - dime = 12"
10" Elliptical - dime = 10"

 

[SpiritRelic]

Does not look like you lost much depth to me between min disc and tab?.Smokey,i have had two vaquero's,and on both,tabs would not totally disc out until just a hair past tab.The Elliptical coil is my favorite coil for the vaq and tejon.It will slice right in between the trash for good targets.Good test you did there.Very impressive on the supertuned dime.Not many vlf detectors on the market that will get that. :-!

 

[WV62]

Thanks, I will copy and paste this info into Word and save it.

I do have one question, is that supertune running in disc or all metal? Really got some nice numbers there.

Ron in WV

 

[SpiritRelic]

One cannot supertune in all metal.One cannot adjust sensitivity in all metal either.All metal is fixed sensitivity setting.I actually myself get better target response in disc than all metal also.If you want to go deep.The vaq and tejon will do it!. :-*

 

[Monte]

n/t

 

[smokey63]

Does not look like you lost much depth to me between min disc and tab?.Smokey,i have had two vaquero's,and on both,tabs would not totally disc out until just a hair past tab.The Elliptical coil is my favorite coil for the vaq and tejon.It will slice right in between the trash for good targets.Good test you did there.Very impressive on the supertuned dime.Not many vlf detectors on the market that will get that. :-!

Not enough diffference to tell. I think I am going to love this coil. Before I purchased the Vaquero I spoke with Rusty Henry and told him I normally run in AM, but get tired of that dang threshold hum and he said no need run AM. He said supertune and go(of course I didnt believe him at first). Called him back later and told him I was getting an inch or so more depth supertuned vs AM in some areas and he said well I tried to tell ya!

 

[smokey63]

Thanks, I will copy and paste this info into Word and save it.

I do have one question, is that supertune running in disc or all metal? Really got some nice numbers there.

Ron in WV

Your welcome. I you or anyone else need to compare quarter, nickel and penny depths let me know, I tested them all today. All were air tested outside with no interferance. Supertune is running minimum disc, maximum sens, maximum threshold. Twice I have had to back off the sens due to the area I was in to stop a little chatter. Also, dead on GB seems to work best for me instead of + or -