Deus and any detector currently on the market...

[EtracTom-AdirondacksNY]

What it boils down to is I'm / we're saying that this detector makes a better cleaner distinguishable sounding signal than other detectors do over some targets so that others that have lots of experience on their particular detectors it will make it so you will want to dig those targets instead of walking away thinking no good.

 

[Aaron]

How much time in the field do you have on this machine?

 

[Ken in Georgia]

What it boils down to is I'm / we're saying that this detector makes a better cleaner distinguishable sounding signal than other detectors do over some targets so that others that have lots of experience on their particular detectors it will make it so you will want to dig those targets instead of walking away thinking no good.

What we are not saying:
[/quote]we're saying that this detector makes a better cleaner distinguishable sounding signal than other detectors .[/quote]

What we are saying is that all detectors Good or Bad have a chance to find everything this one does. Look at the G2 not a depth demon but an over all good detector. I love the etrac and it does the depth and unmasking real nice. And the Deus will do the same and I cannot wait to see all the finds !!

 

[Schultzie]

Is there machines that do a better job..Yes !

Exactly my point! How does one determine if it does better than another machine? How is that measured? I would like to know how to make that determination of what sets a unit above the others. Please explain.

Now I am not knocking the Deus at all..It sounds like a good detector..but I just don't think it is
going to be the detector you imply in your post and beat everything out there consistently................in every location..

I asked a question to try and determine if there is a significant difference in performance. I did not imply anything... how could I as I don't even own one!

So, according to you and a few others here, there is no measurable way to determine the performance value of one detector vs. another. That would mean that the Etrac and the Bounty Hunters are equal units.

 

[JBM]

Yes I have.

I purchased my Deus just over 2 years ago and took it to a small field that we have detected for 6 years with a number of top of the range machines.

The site has yielded 2,000 years of history and all we had over the last year prior to the Deus arriving was ferrous metal that we previously ignored.

Off I set with Deus fast at 18kHz and in between the iron I was getting a nice "non ferrous whisper sound" and out popped a roman bronze coin.

This was followed by roman brooches and small silver hammereds.

Eventually the finds thinned out for that season.

Once again this year when the field was ploughed for the annual maize crop we found more non ferrous coins and artifacts hiding away in the small ferrrous rubbish.

With this in mind I suggest that if you have a chance to use the Dues go back over any of your sites containing ferrous metals once again to see what you may have missed.

Jerry.

 

[Schultzie]

That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks Jerry! Good luck.

 

[Larry (IL)]

So, according to you and a few others here, there is no measurable way to determine the performance value of one detector vs. another. That would mean that the Etrac and the Bounty Hunters are equal units.

First sentence........ Yes there is, go back to the beginning of your post. Deus and detector to test against, hand in hand, test a common target to see what works best [size=large]FOR YOU[/size].

Second sentence........ For some people, that is exactly correct. There are many hunters using 80's technology that hunt circles around someone with the latest technology. What makes one detector better than another is not so much the name but the person using it.

 

[EtracTom-AdirondacksNY]

WOW I'm done answering and trying to help people on all these forums. Someone comes on a forum and asks a simple question someone who has that detector gives an answer and then all the rest come and kick the answerer in the teeth about what he posted. This is the same thing that happened when everyone started posting about the Etrac and what people were finding compared to using other machines over the same areas and the G2 when it first came out and the AT-Pro when it first came out so now this new kid on the block comes along and the same thing happens yet again incredulously that it can't be possiable, or my belief is turned up side down. I will never try to help or answer another person on these forums again sorry newbies you deal with the all know it alls that haunt and post on all these forums and don't even have that brand detector or never used one but know everything already and what can and can't be possiable. I'm a ghost from now on. Reread what was asked and what I posted. Area over 2 yrs every inch with multiple machines and coils and frequencies and different angles and different times of year and different soil conditions etc. Who cares if it was machine A that was used first and which was used second if the area was virtually covered this way so the Etrac was used first instead of second in a test????

 

[Ken in Georgia]

Tom,

Please do not do that, we all here value your opinion, and like to see your finds. Now, just a story of a friend of mine who when to england on one of those digging trips. She could use any detector she wanted to, but chose to stay with her Amigo II. She was digging for the whole week , and right before she left to get on the plane to come home. A gold coin 7 inches in the hole. I think they said it was a Saxon Gold coin. She now has around her neck on a chain. That is what Larry and Elton and myself are talking about I've been digging for the 20 years and any detector can pull up the find of a lifetime. The Deus will not be the last one "new kid on the block" and you should use what is right for you. Good luck and Happy hunting!!!!

 

[Schultzie]

WOW I'm done answering and trying to help people on all these forums.

I will never try to help or answer another person on these forums again sorry newbies you deal with the all know it alls that haunt and post on all these forums and don't even have that brand detector or never used one but know everything already and what can and can't be possiable.

EtracTom, I certainly hope you reconsider! I, as well as others, value what you have to say. I did not start this thread to aggravate an argument... just get some answers. I hope people will continue to post their results for me and the others who may be interested in the Deus. I appreciate you and Jerry giving your honest assessments of your findings with the Deus. Thanks again to all who posted. Even the ones who have a different opinion than I do. I can appreciate where they are coming from although I do not agree with them.

 

[Ray-Mo.]

along with a lot of other things lol. I just kept posting my in-field results/finds. After all the results are what count in our hobby.....Just remember "arm chair" pro's will always know more than the folks who put the hours in on any machine.Never let the naysayers get too you and please just keep posting your results/finds.
I am very much looking forward to your future post on the Deus
Going to give one a little run through tomorrow if the rain allows,Ray.

 

[John in Nawth Carolina]

n/t

 

[Rick(ND)]

n/t

 

[TerraDigger]

Why not do testing in a well thought out/fabricated test garden with single/co-located targets. Test detectors at the same time. That in my opinion is as close as one can get to removing any variables like moisture/temp/EMI etc. that one encounters in the field.

 

[Nauti]

Etrac Tom,i agreed with you in my first post and i agree with you now.I have tested detectors side by side in all types of conditions with all types of coils,settings etc and i can say without any shadow of a doubt that one detecter can be better than another in a certain situation.For example,in a field i came across a feint target and asked a friend to see if his machine would pick it up.We were using different machines but both with the same frequency and same sized coils.My friends machine would not pick up the target no matter what settings he tried....it was too deep for his machine.In this instance(and i have seen many instances such as this) who had the better machine/?....i did.Both our machines were what you would call top of the range but in this instance mine was better than his which is what you have experienced in your situation.
Don't stop posting mate
Regards,Neil.

 

[Finder82]

this detector makes a better cleaner distinguishable sounding signal than other detectors

I can relate to this, because i just tested my Xp Deus with the Deus fast program and my Golden mask 3 together in my front driveway and it is full of iron nails and aluminium pieces, that came from the house my dad build. The signals that the Deus produced from the aluminium pieces found amongs the iron where much clearer with the Deus than the Golden mask 3 and this detector should also be quite fast in the recovery speed department, but it still could not keep up with the recovery and unmasking ability of the Deus.

There is certainly something different about how the Deus processes the signals into audio.

 

[EtracTom-AdirondacksNY]

I apologize for being thin skinned here I was justing to help others who may be deciding to lay out the large cash for this machine and to help someone to justify that it is definately worth it and you will not be disssapointed. There is now a lot of posts coming into this forum and others saying the same thing that there is something in the way the signal this machine puts out to you that is better smoother not raspy/buzzy sounding unless it's junk so that one can definately tell a good target from bad ones even if other machines say it's not for who cares what ever reason so that you will dig that target and find things we all have missed before even having gone over them with other machines before already. It's not the detectorist it's the machine doing this that is getting peoples attention here. Many others I see now stating they are having the same experience so there is something to this machine.

I don't know if I can state this on here but someone who shall remain nameless who is pretty well known says that they are also getting irate calls and pm's and emails about this detector being the new kid on the block and what people are posting about it compared to the last greatest new kid that wasn't out too long ago the E-machine. I can't believe some people can behave or act this way WHY it don't make sense are they threatened or jealous because they can't believe what they are reading or hearing or because they can't get one themselves or something?? We are all here to try to help each other not threaten each other are we not?? I guess we could keep our mouths shut about this detector and keep it to ourselves. Anyone else who springs for one and finds out what they have and the finds while out detecting with it can also leave the rest to find out for themselves by buying one too and not bothering to say anything or answer any questions about it but that wouldn't be nice or fair would it or be helping someone else who may be wanting one too right and is sitting on the fence deciding?? Again sorry for getting so blunt and upset but I can't understand for the life of me the nasty bad behavior of some and the behind the scenes goings on to someone who is respected in this hobby. What's the point of trying to help and be informative huh!!

 

[Sonny(IN)]

very well said. I do not understand all the negative talk either. Especially when they have not even seen one let alone use one...

 

[Schultzie]

I apologize for being thin skinned here I was justing to help others who may be deciding to lay out the large cash for this machine and to help someone to justify that it is definately worth it and you will not be disssapointed.

No apology is necessary Tom! It gets frustrating from time to time when you try to explain something to help someone, in turn, you end up getting knocked down for it. Don't take it personal, your intentions were right.

We are all here to try to help each other... are we not??

Yep, that's what this forum is for! Keep posting what you are finding out about the Deus so others can learn from your experience. That is the best teacher!!!

 

[TerraDigger]

I think part of some of the negative reactions may derive from detectors in the past that were much ballyhooed with little real data on performance/reliability. People got burned (at least in their perception). So yes, the new kid on the block is getting some resistance. However, there are some very, very experienced detectorists that are kinda putting their reputations on the line here extolling the virtues of the Deus. I think that needs to be seriously factored in to the abilities of this machine. Some of these new Deus owners (cumulatively) have used just about every machine ever produced. That say's something. Also consider this. The Deus is a completely new mfg to the U.S.. You can't accuse these happy Deus owners of misrepresenting due to brand loyalty, which unfortunately is a issue sometimes when reporting on new model detectors.

I know I would jump at being selected to field test this unit with a loaner, as would a few hundred here